Genealogy Gold - and Family History about Grote, Naefke, Meyer Family Additions

Hello;

I Have more Family History info for you on the Grote family related to me by Mark Kuhlmann.

There are 2 more siblings of Adele Grote Naefke Meyer. Frank Grote - Born Nov 1893 in Farnhamville, Iowa - Died and buried there in 1954. Then the youngest Grote - Paul Grote - born Feb 1895 in Randolph, Arkansas. Paul Grote's Canadian Immagrtion Papers dated 24 Feb 1924 went to Red Deer, Canada. From there he went on to Alaska to find his brother Carl ( went to Canada not long after their moving to Arkansas). After communicating with my brother Marvin Kuhlman, Marvin told me while he was stationed in Alaska with the U.S. Army as a Dentist ( late 1940's ), he tried to find Paul Grote, since they were related,............. Marvin said Paul had a gold claim and ............ the search for Paul Grote has stopped there. If your interested, Emma Grote married Frank Daniel Wenck of Glidden, Iowa. I have a pic of my parents ( Elmer and Amanda Kuhlman ) with the Wenck's on their farm in Glidden, Iowa. I've probably forgotten to add somethig but if and or when I remember, I'll send you something.

That information above is the email letter received this last December from Mark Kuhlmann about Grote, Naefke, and Ahrens. So, I will make some necessary corrections in my previous post. I will add on his information to the little that I have written here. I know, I know, I need to get busy and add more from clippings and notes.

Remember - Adele Grote also married William Meyer.

If you relatives and readers have any questions I should post to him, let me know. I certainly take my time in thinking of question I should be asking. So I can use all the help I can get, as they say.

Psst. psst. - I watch the Gold rush show religiously on the Discovery channel. I have been wondering where abouts the gold claim in Alaska could be for Paul Grote. I'll have to see if anything is shown on the census.
Just me Jo.

Koestorf- Family Names and Places

#1295
Fabel, George Heinrich Ernst August, Dienstknecht who lived 1881 Himbergen. Goeddengen??
Stelter [oo Fabel], Kathrine, Dorothee *21.4.1856. Gr. Thondorf kf.1870.
Lived 1881 Koestorf.[elt. 5824]

#2009-
Harwege, Heinrich, Hauswirt, Lived 1705
oo vor 1705.
Grote, Dorothea Lived 1705 Koestorf.

#2010
Harwege, Nicolaus *1705 [r] - +1759

#2011
Harwege, Juergen Niclaus *1720 [gesch]Koestorf. Lived 1750 Kollendorf. 1756 Stroethe.[elt.2009]
oo vor 1750.
Schenk, Anne Margret *1725 [gesch] Baskamp. Lived 1759 Kollendorf.
Three children.

Source : OFB Himbergen by Heinrich Porth.

AIDA with village Hungerstorf familien name Peters

More from AIDA auswanderer site.r Signatur
Ahiv
Indexbegriff
Aktentitel/Person
Laufzeitbeginn
Laufzeitende
Hann. 72 Bleckede Nr. 289
Hauptstaatsarchiv Hannover: Sonderfindbücher
Hungerstorf
1. Peters, Johann Friedrich, Hungerstorf 2. 19. 08. 1829 7. Melborne 8. kurz vor 1858 10. dort angeblich Missionar; nach Privatnachrichten ist seine religiös schwärmerische Richtung dort anerkannt und er selbst mit seiner Lage vollständig zufrieden; cura absentis 10. 04. 1862 aufgehoben, da er ausgewandert ist und sein Vermögen mitgenommen hat; erneut cura absentis eingerichtet.

Translates loosely with babel fish:

Hann. 72 Bleckede No. 289 main public records Hanover: Special identification
books hunger peat of 1st Peter, Johann Friedrich, hunger peat 2nd 19. 08. 1829
7. Melborne 8. shortly before 1858 10th there allegedly Missionar; after private
messages its religiously schwärmerische direction is there appreciative and it
with its situation completely content; cura absentis 10th 04. 1862 waived, since
he emigrated and its fortune carried forward; again cura absentis furnished

.

Citizens of Harmstorf at Aida emigrant files./sonderfindbuecher

This morning looking about at some names and places, I decided to publish a few. Be sure to check out the link and see more for yourself. There will be more to come. That is a promise or threat.

1. Warnecke, Johann Heinrch, Harmstorf 2. ca. 27 Jahre alt 3. Anerbe des väterlichen Halbhofes 7. Nordamerika über Hamburg 8. Sommer 1863 10. 1865 zurückgekehrt; hat im Nov. Hof übernommen auch: Hann. 74 Bleckede W Reg. II Loc. 5 E Nr. 40 r und Loc. 5 G Nr. 59

Translates:
1. Warnecke [Warning corner], Johann Heinrich, Harmstorf
2nd approx. 27 years old 3rd Anerbe of the paternal half yard 7th North America
over Hamburg 8th summer 1863 10. 1865 returned; yard has taken over also in the
Nov.: Hann. 74 Bleckede W move II Loc. 5 E No. 40 r and Loc. 5 G No. 59



Hann. 80 Lüneburg Nr. 956
Hauptstaatsarchiv Hannover: Sonderfindbücher
Harmstorf
1. Meyer, Heinrich, Harmstorf 2. 27 Jahre 3. Dienstknecht 7. Amerika 8. 1857
. .

1. Meyer, Johann Jürgen, Harmstorf 2. 17. 05. 1824 7. New York über Hamburg 8. kurz nach Pfingsten 185310. reist mit Schulz, Jürgen

Translation with babelfish:

1. Meyer, Johann Jürgen, Harmstorf 2nd 17. 05. 1824 7. New York over Hamburg 8.
shortly after Whitsuntide 1853 10. Jürgen travels with Schulz.

The families from Harmstorf, especially Meyer are important to me because of the Steinhauer and Reinecke family in Sueschendorf and Oldendorf bei Nahrendorf and the Goehrde. I am always remembering the Genzel tree which had Meyer from Harmstorf and Walmsburg.

So that's it for the day, minus editing I do a lot. I have been searching all the little villages on the AIDA emigration site. So you know now, there is more to come.
Just me Jo.

Genealogist Dealing with a Separation of Marriage Partners.

I Happily posted about a marriage of a family member. Now I hear they have separated under unhappy circumstances. I was kind of wondering how you other genealogists deal with your publication of these relatives.

I shall have to see what I come up with before I mention anything more about it.
Comment here if you like.

WIESE, WICHEL, FABLE, FABELS of Himbergen Uelzen with Meier of Molzen and Oetzendorf

The Fable family connect to the Raetzmann family tree from the Himbergen, Uelzen area of Hannover .

http://genealogyofoldendorfundnahrendorf.blogspot.com/2008/10/name-wolters-from-oldendorf.htmlThe FABEL [s] are on my church records. So for that reason, I will spend a little time of these, who were with the tree of those whom resided at Sauck county, Wisconsin. Reedsburg one of the earliest settled areas in Wisconsin.

It was so close to Chicago, Iowa, and Missouri.

Today, I am primarily concerned with the Paul Behmke and his wife Holly's tree mostly the Fabels from Uelzen. It's because I found the ties of my RATZMANN to their RATZMAN. For further information I have used the book Die Familien und Einwhoner des Kirchspiels Himbergen.

At Ancestry Her ID number: I14789
Name: Catharine Margarethe FABELS
Given Name: Catharine Margarethe
Surname: Fabels
Sex: F
Birth 10
MAR 1744 in Gross Thondorf, Himbergen of Hannover,
Prussia
Death:
_ 14 NOV 1777 in Molzen, Hannover, Prussia
Father: Juergen Heinrich FABEL
Marriage : 1. Juergen Heinrich MEIER b: 16 OCT 1743
in Oetzendorf, Hanover, Germany
Married: 15 NOV 1776 in Moltzen, Hannover,
Prussia, Germany
Children : Margarethe Elisabeth Meyer
b: 21 OCT 1777 in Oetzendorf, Hanover, Prussia, Germany

I posted this with the fathers name under Post-ems on their page at rootsweb world connect see sources. I separated everything so nicely, and then it all jumbled together again.

From book pp.112 second column.
[1308]-Jurgen Hinrich FABEL, Hauswirth, B. 1703 Gr. Thondorf. Christened ~26.8.1703 Himbergen, Uelzen. Died: + 24.1.1760 Gr. Thondorf 57 years old. 00 1st marriage:: Anna Catharina MUELLER,. b.1709 [gesche =means not totally sure??] at Jarlitz +12.8.1746 Gross Thondorf Buried Himbergen. [1302] [ parents 3666 ] Father Jarlitz Mother: Elisabeth Margretha GEVERS born 1676 Westerwyhe [ some german information about schwiegersohn.?? She died 15.3.1749 Gr. Thondorf. lived 1734 Jarlitz. [parents 1558]. 2 children mentioned. 1] Ernest Jurgen FABEL *3.10.1741 Gr. Thondorf ~Himbergen +31.10.1741 Gr.Thondorf 2] Catharina Margretha FABEL.*10.3.1744 [3591] Gross Thondorf. Lived 1776 Oertzendorf [parents number 1302]. 00 md. Jurgen HinrichMEYER. He + died 1800 Oetzendorf. He lived 1776 there. Witwer [s.a.3617]. One child mentioned -Margreta Elisabeth MEYER *26.10.1777 Oetzendorf +9.5.1860 Torwe Buried Himbergen[619] She lived 1816 Torwe[ [s.a.3622.] Parents 359]. --00 married George BUBACH, a soldier. He died 1816 Oetzendorf. 2ND OO marriage - Jurgen Henrich Christoph MEYER *1761- +1837 [3593] [his second marriage] 19.5.1816. One child Johann Hinrich MEYER b.24.6.1817 Torwe 12.11.1870 Torwe [parents 3622] md. 00 29.11.1846 [3433] Catharina Dorothea SCHMIDT 18.9.1818 Himbergen +3.5.1863 Torwe [parents 4866]. Her parents from Quickborn. And her grandfather from Quickborn.Her mother was a FRIEDRICH from Havekost.

Two boys . One died small. One girl*1858 lived at Torwe. Kathrine Dorothee Elisbeth MEYER.

............................

Above Fabels second marriage was to Elisabeth Margaretha WICHEL. [ She married WIESE in 1760 at Himbergen. Her Father was Hans Wichel, who was a Einwohner and Ackermann * 1717 Buendorf, Ksp. village Dahlenburg which is very near Quickborn. + 3.9.1791Gr. Thondorf. Lived 1747 Gross Thondorf. Seven children. One died in childhood, two are unknown to us.

Children's marriage surnames: Retcher a corpral. Burmester of Wellendorf. Baumgarten.

[6336] Wilhelm Johann WIESE * 1717 Eddestorf + 19.5.1767 Gr. Thondorf. Lived there at Gross Thondorf in 1760. [ 6334, 1308, 5893 ]

Two children [ 5893 ] Franz Juergen STRUCK, knecht from Breese. His father Lived 1786 *Breese., 92 Almstorf and 94 Hohenzollern. Wiese - father lived Eddelstorf - MEINE

I Can keep going, so ask if you would like more on these families..

Note: Also anyone from Suttorf there is high probability they also were at Oldendorf/Nahrendorf, Dubbekold,Suschendorf,Dannenberg Any book by Heinrich Porth and Gunda Friesch. is worth the peek. Hch. Porth has the book about Ebstorf and another one which may cover Bevensen. They will give more details also. Behn[eke] also from Ostheide area. That which includes Suttorf. I have been reading a german book about it and have seen the name. Naturally, I have only covered the surface .

Notice:

1. I highlighted the family from Breese. You may or may not know that our Seil and Heins family lived at Breese. And the Graf Grote's wife lived in that area too. Some of the Seil went into the Himbergen area as well. I don't know if the two different Seil families connect. I suspect that they really did.

2. There is an on going interest on my part with the location of Meyer fromTorwe since I acquired some information on the Genzel tree. This is not the first time you will hear about it. [smile]

Source: World Connect at rootsweb under Gilbert Walter Meyer tree/ Holly.

http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=meyergw&id=I14789

http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igmpostem.cgi?op=show&app=pbehmke&notify=zhh99eLIqurXGqL_1NYuZx6I36fgxeyt&key=I6475&return=%3Ca+href%3D%22%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Figm%2Ecgi%3Fop%3DGET%26amp%3Bdb%3Dpbehmke%26amp%3Bid%3DI6475%22%3EReturn+to+WorldConnect%3C%2Fa%3E


Note: In the book any spelling falls under one spelling that of Meyer. I unfortunately have a few Meier / Meyer pages missing. So I have to rely on posting I did a few years ago.

Note: There is more indepth record numbers from church documents. Soon I will post that as well.


Please check back soon for more on the areas.

A new site for Me to share --- Lowlands-L: Things They Left Us: Folk traditions of the Lowlands worldwide

There is a key phrase in this paragraph that I highlighted on my own. It has been cited here and other places online. It makes me question this down grade of a persons heritage and location.

Lowlands-L: Things They Left Us: Folk traditions of the Lowlands worldwide: "Hamburg was now an arrondisement within the Département des Bouches de l’Elbe, while an alliance of mostly German, Russian and Swedish troops besieged the city. Hamburg families were required to provide free lodging to Napoléon’s soldiers. Houses were torn down to create shooting ranges, and their inhabitants were sent packing. Turned into horse stables were the main churches of this mostly Lutheran city that had provided refuge to thousands of Dutch and French Protestants. In their desperation, many people fled to then neighboring Danish territory, in many cases just a short walk away. Others engaged in cross-border smuggling to make up for lost trade with Britain and other parts hostile to France."


As I read before in Tosterglope.de or in account of Charlotte Wodage about the region of Dahlenburg; the French, or Russians, or swedes being there took over the churches and lodged their horses there. How could people even think to do so. Perhaps the French were in majority catholic. Perhaps the degradation was political in thought. No matter it was a Horrid thing to do.

Even during the thirty year plus years of war in this region each time troops were there the villages suffered They lost a fourth of what they had before. Villages were burned, women raped, animals lost. And think of the rumble and rubble after the world wars. It is a wonder our ancestors persevered. They rebuilt, fixed things up.

Thank goodness they did, right.

But somethings can never be restored or brought back.
I cry over the lost documents we can not ever see. Some stories and events will be lost. If you read about the pages or years of documents lost in church records you will know what I mean.

http://www.hist.de/KB-hannover.htm
Title-- Criticisms of the Roman Catholic Church. This Link contains an article on why Huguenots attacked and destroyed churches.
http://skunks.wordpress.com/huguenots/

More reading sources.
1. You might like to read this source below for more on the 'French Protestants' which according to Wikipedia means now to be - Huguenots.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huguenot
2.
http://www.theotherside.co.uk/tm-heritage/background/refugees-protestant.htm
3.
https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Netherlands_Church_History
4.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Netherlands
5.
http://www.museeprotestant.org/Pages/Notices.php?scatid=13&noticeid=349&lev=1&Lget=EN
6.
http://www.bartleby.com/86/56.html
7.
http://books.google.com/books?id=Eqo5XbXgCYcC&pg=PA100&lpg=PA100&dq=napoleon+french+protestants+dutch&source=bl&ots=JhDoGtF0pM&sig=LZPgj7r_7JbHJUKJPczwqaDlytk&hl=en&ei=9TZlSp-SBYe6MLC2saQB&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10
8.
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Free+City+of+Hamburg
9.
http://www.catholicliturgy.com/index.cfm/FuseAction/ArticleText/ArticleIndex/43

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~~OTHER PLACES OF HORSES STABLED IN A CHURCH~~ Not so uncomman.
1... http://www.3villagecsd.k12.ny.us/Elementary/minnesauke/3villagehist/Pesbyterian%20Church.htm
2... http://www.jstor.org/pss/548373
3... http://www.nps.gov/history/NR/travel/louisiana/cec.htm
4... http://www.powderspringsmessenger.net/14.html
5... http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/imt/tgmwc/ftp.py?imt/tgmwc/tgmwc-07/tgmwc-07-64.08
6... http://www.knowitall.org/sandlapper/summer2003/summer-pdfs/63-66-
7... http://www.modbury-heritage.co.uk/panels/religious_buildings.htm
8... http://www.ccel.org/ccel/emmerich/lifemary.xix.html
9... http://www.jstor.org/pss/985370
10. http://books.google.com/books?id=GdICAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA33&lpg=PA33&dq=kept+stabled++their+%27horses+in+the+church%27&source=bl&ots=MvVeCqQdvT&sig=cUkMB8pRfDMX9SVOyiZ9gi5QctI&hl=en&ei=wEVlSpfgJqSwtgeT-fDvDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6
11. http://louisianagraveyardrabbit.blogspot.com/2009/04/christ-episcopal-church-cemetery.html
12. http://www.historicstlukes.org/HSL%20ST.%20LUKE%27S%20WEDDING%20PACKAGE.pdf
13. http://deaconprayer.com/Homilies/cristo_rey.html
14. http://www.electricscotland.com/history/hungary/church.htm
15. http://www.dezeen.com/2007/12/04/a-shop-in-a-church-by-merkx-girod-architecten/
16. https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Gamrie,_Banff,_Scotland
17. http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/Bottesford/
18. www.bencaudill.com/chaplain/chaplainsoftheconfederacy.doc
19. http://www.anthrobase.com/Txt/K/Kormina_J_01.htm
20.http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/hcc4.i.iii.vi.html
21.http://www.fumcwashington.org/history.htm
22.http://www.crt.state.la.us/hp/nhl/parish04/scans/04003001.pdf


A different case about a different reason for a Horse to be in the church.
http://www.corkscrew-balloon.com/balloon/99/siena/dirty.html
http://www./
initaly.com/info/palio/palio.htm
http://www.munichfound.com/archives/id/52/article/934/

I can add yours [if you have one] to my list.