WIESE, WICHEL, FABLE, FABELS of Himbergen Uelzen with Meier of Molzen and Oetzendorf

The Fable family connect to the Raetzmann family tree from the Himbergen, Uelzen area of Hannover .

http://genealogyofoldendorfundnahrendorf.blogspot.com/2008/10/name-wolters-from-oldendorf.htmlThe FABEL [s] are on my church records. So for that reason, I will spend a little time of these, who were with the tree of those whom resided at Sauck county, Wisconsin. Reedsburg one of the earliest settled areas in Wisconsin.

It was so close to Chicago, Iowa, and Missouri.

Today, I am primarily concerned with the Paul Behmke and his wife Holly's tree mostly the Fabels from Uelzen. It's because I found the ties of my RATZMANN to their RATZMAN. For further information I have used the book Die Familien und Einwhoner des Kirchspiels Himbergen.

At Ancestry Her ID number: I14789
Name: Catharine Margarethe FABELS
Given Name: Catharine Margarethe
Surname: Fabels
Sex: F
Birth 10
MAR 1744 in Gross Thondorf, Himbergen of Hannover,
Prussia
Death:
_ 14 NOV 1777 in Molzen, Hannover, Prussia
Father: Juergen Heinrich FABEL
Marriage : 1. Juergen Heinrich MEIER b: 16 OCT 1743
in Oetzendorf, Hanover, Germany
Married: 15 NOV 1776 in Moltzen, Hannover,
Prussia, Germany
Children : Margarethe Elisabeth Meyer
b: 21 OCT 1777 in Oetzendorf, Hanover, Prussia, Germany

I posted this with the fathers name under Post-ems on their page at rootsweb world connect see sources. I separated everything so nicely, and then it all jumbled together again.

From book pp.112 second column.
[1308]-Jurgen Hinrich FABEL, Hauswirth, B. 1703 Gr. Thondorf. Christened ~26.8.1703 Himbergen, Uelzen. Died: + 24.1.1760 Gr. Thondorf 57 years old. 00 1st marriage:: Anna Catharina MUELLER,. b.1709 [gesche =means not totally sure??] at Jarlitz +12.8.1746 Gross Thondorf Buried Himbergen. [1302] [ parents 3666 ] Father Jarlitz Mother: Elisabeth Margretha GEVERS born 1676 Westerwyhe [ some german information about schwiegersohn.?? She died 15.3.1749 Gr. Thondorf. lived 1734 Jarlitz. [parents 1558]. 2 children mentioned. 1] Ernest Jurgen FABEL *3.10.1741 Gr. Thondorf ~Himbergen +31.10.1741 Gr.Thondorf 2] Catharina Margretha FABEL.*10.3.1744 [3591] Gross Thondorf. Lived 1776 Oertzendorf [parents number 1302]. 00 md. Jurgen HinrichMEYER. He + died 1800 Oetzendorf. He lived 1776 there. Witwer [s.a.3617]. One child mentioned -Margreta Elisabeth MEYER *26.10.1777 Oetzendorf +9.5.1860 Torwe Buried Himbergen[619] She lived 1816 Torwe[ [s.a.3622.] Parents 359]. --00 married George BUBACH, a soldier. He died 1816 Oetzendorf. 2ND OO marriage - Jurgen Henrich Christoph MEYER *1761- +1837 [3593] [his second marriage] 19.5.1816. One child Johann Hinrich MEYER b.24.6.1817 Torwe 12.11.1870 Torwe [parents 3622] md. 00 29.11.1846 [3433] Catharina Dorothea SCHMIDT 18.9.1818 Himbergen +3.5.1863 Torwe [parents 4866]. Her parents from Quickborn. And her grandfather from Quickborn.Her mother was a FRIEDRICH from Havekost.

Two boys . One died small. One girl*1858 lived at Torwe. Kathrine Dorothee Elisbeth MEYER.

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Above Fabels second marriage was to Elisabeth Margaretha WICHEL. [ She married WIESE in 1760 at Himbergen. Her Father was Hans Wichel, who was a Einwohner and Ackermann * 1717 Buendorf, Ksp. village Dahlenburg which is very near Quickborn. + 3.9.1791Gr. Thondorf. Lived 1747 Gross Thondorf. Seven children. One died in childhood, two are unknown to us.

Children's marriage surnames: Retcher a corpral. Burmester of Wellendorf. Baumgarten.

[6336] Wilhelm Johann WIESE * 1717 Eddestorf + 19.5.1767 Gr. Thondorf. Lived there at Gross Thondorf in 1760. [ 6334, 1308, 5893 ]

Two children [ 5893 ] Franz Juergen STRUCK, knecht from Breese. His father Lived 1786 *Breese., 92 Almstorf and 94 Hohenzollern. Wiese - father lived Eddelstorf - MEINE

I Can keep going, so ask if you would like more on these families..

Note: Also anyone from Suttorf there is high probability they also were at Oldendorf/Nahrendorf, Dubbekold,Suschendorf,Dannenberg Any book by Heinrich Porth and Gunda Friesch. is worth the peek. Hch. Porth has the book about Ebstorf and another one which may cover Bevensen. They will give more details also. Behn[eke] also from Ostheide area. That which includes Suttorf. I have been reading a german book about it and have seen the name. Naturally, I have only covered the surface .

Notice:

1. I highlighted the family from Breese. You may or may not know that our Seil and Heins family lived at Breese. And the Graf Grote's wife lived in that area too. Some of the Seil went into the Himbergen area as well. I don't know if the two different Seil families connect. I suspect that they really did.

2. There is an on going interest on my part with the location of Meyer fromTorwe since I acquired some information on the Genzel tree. This is not the first time you will hear about it. [smile]

Source: World Connect at rootsweb under Gilbert Walter Meyer tree/ Holly.

http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=meyergw&id=I14789

http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igmpostem.cgi?op=show&app=pbehmke&notify=zhh99eLIqurXGqL_1NYuZx6I36fgxeyt&key=I6475&return=%3Ca+href%3D%22%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Figm%2Ecgi%3Fop%3DGET%26amp%3Bdb%3Dpbehmke%26amp%3Bid%3DI6475%22%3EReturn+to+WorldConnect%3C%2Fa%3E


Note: In the book any spelling falls under one spelling that of Meyer. I unfortunately have a few Meier / Meyer pages missing. So I have to rely on posting I did a few years ago.

Note: There is more indepth record numbers from church documents. Soon I will post that as well.


Please check back soon for more on the areas.

A new site for Me to share --- Lowlands-L: Things They Left Us: Folk traditions of the Lowlands worldwide

There is a key phrase in this paragraph that I highlighted on my own. It has been cited here and other places online. It makes me question this down grade of a persons heritage and location.

Lowlands-L: Things They Left Us: Folk traditions of the Lowlands worldwide: "Hamburg was now an arrondisement within the Département des Bouches de l’Elbe, while an alliance of mostly German, Russian and Swedish troops besieged the city. Hamburg families were required to provide free lodging to Napoléon’s soldiers. Houses were torn down to create shooting ranges, and their inhabitants were sent packing. Turned into horse stables were the main churches of this mostly Lutheran city that had provided refuge to thousands of Dutch and French Protestants. In their desperation, many people fled to then neighboring Danish territory, in many cases just a short walk away. Others engaged in cross-border smuggling to make up for lost trade with Britain and other parts hostile to France."


As I read before in Tosterglope.de or in account of Charlotte Wodage about the region of Dahlenburg; the French, or Russians, or swedes being there took over the churches and lodged their horses there. How could people even think to do so. Perhaps the French were in majority catholic. Perhaps the degradation was political in thought. No matter it was a Horrid thing to do.

Even during the thirty year plus years of war in this region each time troops were there the villages suffered They lost a fourth of what they had before. Villages were burned, women raped, animals lost. And think of the rumble and rubble after the world wars. It is a wonder our ancestors persevered. They rebuilt, fixed things up.

Thank goodness they did, right.

But somethings can never be restored or brought back.
I cry over the lost documents we can not ever see. Some stories and events will be lost. If you read about the pages or years of documents lost in church records you will know what I mean.

http://www.hist.de/KB-hannover.htm
Title-- Criticisms of the Roman Catholic Church. This Link contains an article on why Huguenots attacked and destroyed churches.
http://skunks.wordpress.com/huguenots/

More reading sources.
1. You might like to read this source below for more on the 'French Protestants' which according to Wikipedia means now to be - Huguenots.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huguenot
2.
http://www.theotherside.co.uk/tm-heritage/background/refugees-protestant.htm
3.
https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Netherlands_Church_History
4.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Netherlands
5.
http://www.museeprotestant.org/Pages/Notices.php?scatid=13&noticeid=349&lev=1&Lget=EN
6.
http://www.bartleby.com/86/56.html
7.
http://books.google.com/books?id=Eqo5XbXgCYcC&pg=PA100&lpg=PA100&dq=napoleon+french+protestants+dutch&source=bl&ots=JhDoGtF0pM&sig=LZPgj7r_7JbHJUKJPczwqaDlytk&hl=en&ei=9TZlSp-SBYe6MLC2saQB&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10
8.
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Free+City+of+Hamburg
9.
http://www.catholicliturgy.com/index.cfm/FuseAction/ArticleText/ArticleIndex/43

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~~OTHER PLACES OF HORSES STABLED IN A CHURCH~~ Not so uncomman.
1... http://www.3villagecsd.k12.ny.us/Elementary/minnesauke/3villagehist/Pesbyterian%20Church.htm
2... http://www.jstor.org/pss/548373
3... http://www.nps.gov/history/NR/travel/louisiana/cec.htm
4... http://www.powderspringsmessenger.net/14.html
5... http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/imt/tgmwc/ftp.py?imt/tgmwc/tgmwc-07/tgmwc-07-64.08
6... http://www.knowitall.org/sandlapper/summer2003/summer-pdfs/63-66-
7... http://www.modbury-heritage.co.uk/panels/religious_buildings.htm
8... http://www.ccel.org/ccel/emmerich/lifemary.xix.html
9... http://www.jstor.org/pss/985370
10. http://books.google.com/books?id=GdICAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA33&lpg=PA33&dq=kept+stabled++their+%27horses+in+the+church%27&source=bl&ots=MvVeCqQdvT&sig=cUkMB8pRfDMX9SVOyiZ9gi5QctI&hl=en&ei=wEVlSpfgJqSwtgeT-fDvDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6
11. http://louisianagraveyardrabbit.blogspot.com/2009/04/christ-episcopal-church-cemetery.html
12. http://www.historicstlukes.org/HSL%20ST.%20LUKE%27S%20WEDDING%20PACKAGE.pdf
13. http://deaconprayer.com/Homilies/cristo_rey.html
14. http://www.electricscotland.com/history/hungary/church.htm
15. http://www.dezeen.com/2007/12/04/a-shop-in-a-church-by-merkx-girod-architecten/
16. https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Gamrie,_Banff,_Scotland
17. http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/Bottesford/
18. www.bencaudill.com/chaplain/chaplainsoftheconfederacy.doc
19. http://www.anthrobase.com/Txt/K/Kormina_J_01.htm
20.http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/hcc4.i.iii.vi.html
21.http://www.fumcwashington.org/history.htm
22.http://www.crt.state.la.us/hp/nhl/parish04/scans/04003001.pdf


A different case about a different reason for a Horse to be in the church.
http://www.corkscrew-balloon.com/balloon/99/siena/dirty.html
http://www./
initaly.com/info/palio/palio.htm
http://www.munichfound.com/archives/id/52/article/934/

I can add yours [if you have one] to my list.

Heinrich Friedrich Herman Meyer Birthday Date - 27.April

This is not a biography nor a memorial to my grandfather Meyer. I am just sorry to say I did not mention Grandpa Meyer's birthday date just a couple of days ago. I should have, shouldn't I. He was born 27. april.1881 in an Oldendorf hof owned by his father, i. d. Goehrde babtized at Nahrendorf kirche. He died just before his last birthday could occur.


Note: I am still trying to find the exact house number or location of the Meyer home in Oldendorf, Nahrendorf.

Genealogy Blogging is Working Results For Me.

On my other Genealogie blog A rootdigger I mention that my dream and aim is to find my ancestors descendants in Wendland Germany and u.s.a.

I wish to learn everything that I possibly can. Always Digging into genealogy. Then with that knowledge, I hope to share it, explain it through blogging to the best of my abilities, meager though it may be.

And I suppose there will be a few other tidbits added here and there. [ yes I am smiling] As I said in my profile, if you publish your family history, they will come. and it is true.



Today, I noticed a comment that I thought was old. And then today, I figured out how to get them to show up where they are suppose to be visible!!! To get to my point now, someone has commented that he actually knows of our Luhmann family from Eichdorf Germany. He says a Luhman family member does look like Grandfather Herman Meyer! Oohhh! Pop the cork!




Hooray! It's these things that makes me so happy. I am going to contact him in a moment. I hope he can share much with us. You can see his comment further in older posts.




Have faith fellow researchers and genealogy bloggers, publish it and they will come!



Don't slack in checking your edit pages, as I did. Don't be guilty of sliding in blog posts, as I was. In other words --Don't let the moss grow on your shoes!



I won't do a happy dance cause my feet hurt!
And [ big smile] it's keeping me from digging in the garden as well. but on the positive side, I economize my feet standing time, by blogging. I Love it.



just me jo

HAVE YOU READ THIS AT THIS LINK - Göhrde – Wikipedia

I THINK THIS IS A GOOD LINK TO SHARE
I am sure its bookmark worthy.

Göhrde – Wikipedia: "Geografie [Bearbeiten]
Die Gemeinde ist Teil des Naturparks Elbufer-Drawehn.
Der an die Gemeinde angrenzende Staatsforst Göhrde ist das größte zusammenhängende Mischwaldgebiet Norddeutschlands.
Gemeindegliederung [Bearbeiten]
Die Gemeinde Göhrde besteht seit der Gemeindegebietsreform von 1972 aus zwölf Ortsteilen. Zusätzlich existieren der Hof Kamerun und vier Forsthäuser. Der Sitz der Gemeindeverwaltung befindet sich in Metzingen."

Another Meyer Increases The Population With His Birth.

It is wonderful news, is it not? I recently ran across Mitchell Meyer,

who is the son of Steve and Mary Meyer in southern Minnesota. Mitchel [l] net works out of my occasional stomping ground of my past youth - Sioux Falls. I had to see, if he was the relation by browsing his profile. I couldn't be sure until we were in touch with each other. With a few pictures, I had him persuaded that I was indeed his relative.


I hope to persuade him to write a little about his family. He promised a snapshot of this first named Thomas of the MEYER family. At least as far as I know, he is the first.


A year or so ago, Mitchell married LILA PATCHES. Together they had the little Patches. [He is a Meyer, but for some reason, I like calling him Patches!]


Like all new parents, the loving sleep deprived father had this to say about Thomas :

He has had a little baby boy, who was born on ... friday the
13th,...... at 1:50 AM 8 pounds 2 ounces 19 1/2 inches long and looks a

lot like a Meyer.

Mitchell and his oldest brother resemble each other alot. I'think the little fella looks so hugable and just might have gotten a few.

If some of you have followed my blogs, you may know I have mentioned Mitchel as the one who closely resembles some our ancestors more than any other child I have seen. Mitchel[l] did resemble Dwight early in his age. He was very fondly looked on by Dwight R. Meyer, who was his Minnesota grandfather out at Sunnyslope farm. Mitchel was a very accepting, loving little last born boy of Steve's family. He did not mind at all being held on your lap. It was not easily forgotten BY ME how friendly of a little tyke he was.


I gave Mitchell the address of my blogs, because I figured that at his new status as a father he may be experiencing that often new parents need to compare our child to our ancestors baby pictures. The best I could offer on my blogs was not baby pictures of his grandfather, but photos of a young aged Dwight and Lyle, and Mitchel's great grandfather, Herman with his siblings. And of course with time spent there, he will see the other genes in relation to our past.


Heins, Heinz, Henke, Luhmann, Gehrke, Reinecke, Seil, Korn and many others, who blended in with their genes into the pool.


Hopefully the new little Meyer will learn of his ancestors as his father gains a somewhat understanding of my always not so clear blogs. [tee hee they are to me, though]


Maybe, if we' re lucky he and Lila will comment now and then.


~~ Congratulations Mitchell and Lila !

~ Have a Happy Easter Holiday

~ ~ ~ ~ My Bunny Family Portrait! ~ ~ ~